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Weekly Conference 3/27/88:  Members - Ted, Dale, Don, Don J,
Drax, Neil, Charles, Gerry, DBC, Joe

(Ted) When everyone is ready I have an opening remark

(Ted) With respect to Gulf Breezes, I think the time has come for
caution. As many whom have seem the actual photos and talked to
"Mr. Ed" say "This is almost too good too be true!" Veteran
experts in their fields such as Bruce Maccabee and Budd Hopkins
have made strong statements favoring a REAL Ufo. There are those
of us who say "Yes Indeed it is too good to be true - Therefore
is may be a hoax." How sad that when that which many have strived
for the past forty years becomes evidently true and we approach
the evidence denying reality because it is "too Real." Well, I
ask if it is too real and is a hoax who (or what organization
would have the where-with-all to carry it off? And what to gain
from such an extravagant endeavor? Let's see. Who could it be?
Oh, I don't know. Could it be ---- UNCLE SAM? Now isn't that
SPECIAL!! ok ga all. Did that come through? ga

(Dale) OK, the information that I have beentalking about will be.
sent out tomorrow. 1 copy to Andrus, 1 copy to State Director, 1
copy to ParaNet, and 1 copy to Phil Imbrogno the parcel will have
reports on incidents that occurred on March 4 and 5. It will not
include all of the other information gained since then. It will
include reports, photoss, and a government document which says
that a UFO WAS - that is, WAS seeen by trained military
personnel. we have confirming testimony from people who are
unrelated, and who did nnot have anny kknowledge of our facts.
See it on ParaNete by this coming Thursday or Friday.GA

(Ted) Dale when do you think you might upload the report here? ga

(Dale) As soon as Jim gets it, probably byy Thursday, it will be
uploaded  We want to Federal Express the report to Andrus first,
he should get) it by Tuesday, Speiser follows, and then
CompuServe. ga

(DON) Ok In reference to your opening remarks on Gulf Breeze
Approx 1 month ago I downloaded some info from Para Alpha and one
file included a story taken from GUNGHO Magazine that delt with
the U. S. Airforce "Alien Tech. Div" that delt with the fact that
the AF has a secret experimental R & D. division that works with
experimental craft. Are you infering that the object sighted may
in fact have been secret U. S. AF aircraft and therefore be an
Ided. Flying Object? And if so what other info may you be privy
to? ga

(Ted) Ok what I am infering is a possible senario where the Gulf
Breezes is really a hoax. And the the hoax may be staged by none
other than our ouwn UNCLE SAM. THink about it Budd Hopkins has
made a positive statement so have Bruce M. Now MUFON is brreaking
their long time rules of talking about a case prior to the
conclusion of the investigation. Everyone has their neck stuck












out a mile. How embarrassing if it turns out to be a hoax And who
has the ability to stage such a thing. Uncle. GA

(Joe) I was going to repeat the statements about Randi from PNA
but I am not that sure that it would be that embarassing because
If the government really did stage a convincing hoax. and the
evidence is that good then shame on them for making a hoax.
Butthe reports are accurate as far as UFO goes. Unless people
have been fudging on the facts. ga

(Ted) Ok Do you really think that the GOVT would fess up. Thats
not their style. GA DBC

(DBC) ok I don't think the government is anywhere near capable of
such a hoax. I recently called the Gulf Breeze Sentinel Sightings
are still being reported regularly (1-2 per day) . Three people
on the newspaper staff have seen the phenomenon Apparently the
Washington Post was there a week or so ago talking to the editor
and ABC is believed to be coming down soon The March 10 issue of
the Sentinel (which I have a copy of) has a picture taken by Mr.
"Ed" using a Nimslo-3D camera provided by MUFON . The camera had
been sealed with wax and "spectaors" were able to witness <On
phoneto Phiil Lkl ass> the entire process of removal of the film
(Kodak) and the development process. Although my copy is not a
good "copy" of the paper the picture appears to show a
mothership.ga

(Ted) Ok I understand that there have been 12 pictures taken with
the MUFON camera. But don't you think it strange that as of yet
no MUFON investigator has seen the thing? GA

(charles) Ted  first, let me say that I'm at a disadvantage not
having seen the photographs, nor being fully up to date on  this,
so if my remarks are off-base, just say so <grin>  It seems to me
that while the government is capable of producing such a hoax
that they'd have no motivation to  do so in Florida. It would
seem more likely to  pick some area of current hot attention,
like, say,  the hudson valley, and try to not only discredit UFO
investigators but a whole rash of previous sightings in one fell
swoop. ga

(Ted) ok I don't know why Florida, perhaps because it HAS been so
quiet Also this is not necessarily my belief I just think it is a
real enough possiblity that we should proceed with utmost
caution. ga DALE

(Dale) I see that Speiser was showing a video of the sighting Was
this taken by Mister Ed or was it the documentary on the subject
by someone in Florida? ga

(Ted) Jim isn't here but he told me it was the footage taken by
Mr. Ed. ga

(Dale) Any type of reaction on the film? ga












(Ted) Just that is was difficult to see because of the motion. He
did say that  the image of the craft appeared to be rotating.
SOmething that did not show on the still photos. GA JOE

(Joe) This is beginning to sound like Sports Illustrated .Has
anyone seen George Plimpton around?? If it is a hoax We should
know on Friday. ga

(Ted) Why by Friday Joe? GA

(Joe) April 1. Remember the stuff about the arab pitcher. they
broke the joke in the april issue

(Ted) Ah YES!!! <shame on me!> Gerry did you have a ? GA

(DON) Ok first, Charles, you took the words out of my mouth why,
and using what type of thinking, would anyone think that the US
Govt would stage a hoax in Florida in an area that is not that
well known at this point for UFO sightings, when there are much
bigger game to fry in  an area like the Hudson Valley, that has
even had books written about it.  If the govt was out to activly
attempt to discredit I think that an area that has had so much
attention like the Hudson Valley would be ideal. Now we have a
series of sightings in Florida, that appear to be the real thing.
So all of the sudden, it appears that the ugly head of parinoia
rears. What is it about the subject of ufoology that would cause
such an appealing case to turn sour and we have had marginal
cases that people have taken to the wall. Is it possible that
noone really knows what it is that we are all looking for? ga

(Ted) Ok FIrst I don't consider myself "Paranoid" but I do
consider myself conservative. I don't believe in "Betting the
farm at the drop of a hat." I certainly don't want to ngive up.
It SOUND real! But all the facts are not in MUFON people have not
seen one wit of a craft yet phots have been take with their
camera. ok Charles GA

(charles) Forgive my harking back to an earlier point in the
conversation In regards to the video of the UFO in Florida, two
weeks ago Philip Klass appeared with Ellen Crystal on a TV talk
show in NJ. In the conversation, Klass complained that all people
had were still photos, and he wondered why, with the
proliferation of home video equipment, nobody had any videos. He
seemed to imply that a video would go a long way in convincing
him. I'm not holding my breath,  though, waiting for him to "come
around." <grin> ga

(Ted) I don't know what Phil was talking about. He know about the
Hudson Valley video and the fact it has been reviewed by JPL.
Gerry next GA

(gerry) ok I missed the first part justifying a hoax possibility,
but it would be part of a believable strategy of the govt to
stage hoaxes occasionally  If this is indeed one, they may not












have had the ability to stage it  just anywhere. Perhaps the
location was dictated  by operational or logistical factors. And
anyway, what does it really matter where it is, as  long as they
are persistent with it? ga

(Ted) ok, No justification for a hoax was given Gerry. I kicked
off the meeting with a speculation of one possible senario  to
stimulate some conversation from a new perspective. Dale NEXT ga

(Dale) I would hope that Walt Andrus has more than just what his
is  giving in his publication. I am worried thatt wee are down to
two bonifide investigation agencies (CUFOS and MUFON) and would
hope that he has studied the negatives, based on the fact that
MUFON investigators have not seen the objects I would hate to see
MUFON tarnished by this, since they have been methodical in their
work. I know that I would not give out info until I was suree
that I had something. And I think I do., with supporting Gov't
documents.ga

(DBC) ok  Some of you probably saw this on the board but Donald
Ware, field investigator for MUFON  in Fort Walton Beach,FL was
quoted in the Pensacola News Jounal (Feb.25,1988) as saying "I'm
convinced there are aliens in those UFOs. They are staging these
photographic opportunities. These multiple opportunities don't
happen by chancer also I spoke to Danny Gordon on Friday He is
news director of radio station WYVE in Wythevelle, VA Many
sightings still occurring there. He said that last Thursday night
he had his 20th UFO sighting--a large 600 foot rectangular craft
Wheres the film crew? He has now had 5 daytime sightings (usually
round craft) and different types of ships at night. He was not
aware of any abductions, but didn't rule out that he himself
might have been. He has not undergone hypnosis and does not plan
to. He is trying to get his congressman to arrange for him to
speak on the issue before a congressional hearing.ga

(gerry) Earlier I wanted to suggest that sometime when things are
quiet (if ever), we have a discussion of possible  govt long
range plans around the ufo/extraterrestrial issue. I think they
would like to own as much of this phenomenon as they can and are
trying to keep the investigative community confused ga

(Ted) AH

(Neil) correct!!!

(Ted) Thats the TICKET!!! DON J your up GA

(Don J) ok Sorry to come in in the middle of things We've had a
number of reports here over the past two months, but I'm
interested in following up with a few questions on Mr. Ed. Such
as What about a polygraph exam? What about con-conspireators if
this is a hoax.














(DRAX) Hi Don, Its me, Jim Speiser. I can't stay long, but to
answer about the polygraph, I understand he took one and passed.
GA

(Neil) Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that due to a few things
going on here, I won't be able to take part in many of these
discussions until the middle of May sometime Ted has mail & john
abrams does, also Yes it is Neil Palumbo  made it a little
shorter for wroting purposes  I am only a standbyer tonight all
yours Ted GA

(Ted) Drax can you enlighten the group with any additional Gulf
Breezes stuff. ? GA

(DRAX) Nothing really specific, just generally it seems to be
causing extreme divisiveness. Some of our best and brightest have
lined up on both sides of the issue that causes me great concern
after all, it was YEARS before we determined (to the extent we
have) that Billy Meier was a hoax. I don't see how anyone can
make any pronouncements  one way or the other on this until more
facts are in yet that seems to be what people are doing already.
GA

(Ted) Yes, I agree. A lot of speculation on both sides We see
that right here tonight. <Myself included!> DON GA

(DON) ok, what is it about this case that suggests that a hoax
could be involved? ga

(Don J) ok, I wanted to say that I'm neutral on Gulf Breeze  but
it took me 5 minutes to determine that Billy Meier was a hoax.
Gulf Breeze is too good (and yet not good enough) to be true. I
suspect a hoax but I take my hat off to the hoaxers and there has
to be more than one. ga

(Ted) Don did not really get an answer to his question. DOn wants
to follow up GA DON

(DON) Ok, I have not seen the tape of Gulf Breeze as of yet and
the only info I have is what I have gotten here and on Para Net
Alpha.  Yet I have heard on the first reports that this case is
the best thing since peanutbutter, the most significant, etc. and
now lately there has been doubt cast on it.  Now my question is
this why is this case too good to be true, what about it causes
the investigators to possibly doubt it? What do Hopkins and the
rest think  about it? And are there certain facts that can NOT be
discussed now, that would suggest that it is a hoax? ga

(DRAX) There are a couple of factors that *I* think are extremely
suspicious, the major one being that the editor of the newspaper
apparently went out with Mr. Ed with a video camera, but instead
of recording the object, he recorded Mr. Ed taking a polaroid of
the object. Can't fathom that one at all. Also the fact that all
of the other alleged witnesses  are choosing to remain anonymous












at this time these are factors that make it suspicious, not
factors that prove a hoax. Like I say, much too early to make a
pronouncement one way or the other. GA

(Don J) DRAX, what about the wife?  How could she not see the
alien when it was right outside her bedroom window? ga

(DRAX) Another good point. Dont know. GA

(DBC) ok, regarding anonymous witnesses, Jim, the Sentinel is
full of names of many people who have sighted the crafts. Also
isn't it possible that the editor did both? i.e photograph Ed AND
the craft. Do you know if this was not the case? BTW anyone
interested can be updated with the weekly issues of the Gulf
Breeze Sentinel. Just let them know and they will bill you
monthly at a cost of $3.00.ga

(DRAX) Should have said the other photographers' names are
unknown to the investigators thus far and no, Duane Cook (the
editor) did not video the craft unknown whether he ATTEMPTED to
video it or not. GA

(Don J) Two points. First, I wanted to followup on Mr. Ed's wife.
She supposedly "went crazy" when he screamed yet she didn't see
anything, at least that's the impression I get. What's she like,
is she a possible confederate or a dupe? Also, did Duane Cook
even see the UFO that time he made the video of Mr. Ed? ga

(DRAX) briefly yes, he saw it but didn't tape it and I don't know
about the wife at all to answer a previous question, Budd Hopkins
is apparently 100% convinced this is all real  and that bothers
the living hell out of me. Goodnite, all!

(Don J) The last report came in on March 21st. There were 4
witnesses (at least) to a "huge" UFO at treetop level. It
happened in Puyallup, Washington, not far from a previous close
encounter. There were more witnesses but we accidentally lost
their names, the first call came into the UFO Reporting Center at
4:00 am and Bob Gribble didn't have the tape recorder running (a
mistake he hardly ever makes). Hopefully, the other witnesses
will call back. The field investigator went out today to
interview the four witnesses we know about. This latest report
seems to follow a new trend.

(Ted) are there any abductions in this? GA

(Don J) I don't think so, the trend appears to be low-level
encounters of very short duration (less than 1 minute)

(Don J) I think that the reports we have are by peripheral
witnesses and that something else is going on but we are only
catching the commings and goings of these objects. ga

(Ted) What constitues an encounter a CEIII? GA












(Don J) The "encounters" are CEI types, although we had a CEIII
last Sept. on the Bangor Trident Sub base. ga

(DBC) Don, where were these sightings taking place?  and can you
elaborate on the CEIII at the sub base?ga

(Don J) here's the list since January 21: 1/21/88 Whidbey Island
NAS, Oak Harbor, Washington, 1/28/88 Oak Harbor and Coupeville,
Wa, 2/88 Silverdale, WA (Kitsap County), 3/5/88 West Seattle, WA,
3/12/88 West Seattle, WA, 3/21/88 Puyallup, WA, The CEIII at
Bangor occurred August 31st, 1987. 3 witnesses, an 8 year old son
of Navy personel, a 10 year old son of Navy personnel, and one
boy's mother. The sighting lasted 2 minutes, the UFO came within
200 feet of the boys, shone a ray down on them at 11 p.m. while
they were playing on some swings in base housing. The ray lifted
them up slightly, they saw two occupants, tall, cat-like
creatures with large heads and biologically improbable bodies
(i.e. very narrow chests eg 6 inches in diameter). The boys were
not lying, their sketches, drawn independently, are very similar.
The mothers are convinced of what they saw. The one boy's mother
came out to see the UFO leave. Not your grey guys, that's
correct. They fall more into the "monster" category. (Over 6 feet
tall and with suction cups on their fingers and toes). ga

(Ted) I am going to have to cut out. But before I leave I wanted
to tell you tht Phil Imbrogno will be our guest on APril 10th. He
will address issues since "Night Siege" GA

(DBC) just wanted to ask Don if there were any military personnel
involved in the CEIIIs?ga

(Don J) All are dependents of Navy personnel. One note, Bangor is
a restricted base no unauthorized personnel allowed. ga

(gerry) Was there any effort to impede contact with outside
investigators or media? ga

(Don J) I don't believe the base commander ever knew about this
report.

(gerry) How did you hear about it?

(Don J) The mother called the UFO reporting center.

(DBC) Just want to thank Joe for taking care of editing and
uploading these COs.ga

(Joe) No problem. Ga